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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 6, 2011 8:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: getting paid,how where ,when

Hi guys,by now you know I'm not a set list type of guy and if the shows' good than all right w/ the world. What I'am asking does anyone here know the buiness side of SHOW BUSINESS.Usually you produce an album ,get air play garner an audience then follow w/ a tour to support that said album. Now all of this is done so far in advance to book venues, travel, meals,teamsters, hotels, unions and daily assentials. So when does the band see the cash and how is it divied up. MGMNT, booking, staff road crews audio techs not mention buying as you go to replace beat up gear. Lawyers and accounts are a must also a mngt team that you have full trust in. We've heard stories like Billy Joel getting ripped off by his manager and that the Airplane were in court more than they actually played. So someone show me the money and how it gets into ones account. Also
knowing pay scale is comensurate w/ size of venue. From the street performer,to coffehouse,small clubs,theaters, ice rinks,theaters, arenas, stadiums , then of course the festival. No one ever talks about this stuff which makes some people like me just curious and others jealous. Listen after all is said and done IT'S THE MUSIC BUSINESS....LW

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 7, 2011 7:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

I had to read this book a couple of years ago:

http://www.amazon.com/Need-Know-About-Music-Business/dp/1439153019/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&;ie=UTF8&qid=1302184064&sr=1-1

It answers a lot of your questions and it is an easy and entertaining read. Having never been involved in the music industry, there were a lot of surprises (and just a lot of things I had never even thought to think of.)

TOOTMO

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 7, 2011 10:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

HEY TOOTMO, Thanks for turning me on to the the book about the music business. I knew it was very involved and I'm amazed at what the first 2 chapters have to offer. It's shurely not going to be for eveyone,but this is what I was looking for. BTW my home library did not have this copy and sent me over to the next town. While waiting for the book I was cruising the cd racks.I come upon a dead album w/ multiple songs ,but said it was in the basement and had to be retrieved by the staff. This librarian comes up w/ this huge box set of 12cds called THE GOLDEN ROAD(1965-1973).albums are Europe72 w/ added cuts,American Beauty, Bears' Choice,Live Dead,Aomxomoxoa,Anthem of the Sun, The Greatful Dead,Workingman's Dead,Skull and Roses. most all of these CDs contain exrata cut and out takes. Also included is a huge color book w/ discography, history, and gear.This was a great trip to the library......lw

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 7, 2011 10:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

HEY TOOTMO, Thanks for turning me on to the the book about the music business. I knew it was very involved and I'm amazed at what the first 2 chapters have to offer. It's shurely not going to be for eveyone,but this is what I was looking for. BTW my home library did not have this copy and sent me over to the next town. While waiting for the book I was cruising the cd racks.I come upon a dead album w/ multiple songs ,but said it was in the basement and had to be retrieved by the staff. This librarian comes up w/ this huge box set of 12cds called THE GOLDEN ROAD(1965-1973).albums are Europe72 w/ added cuts,American Beauty, Bears' Choice,Live Dead,Aomxomoxoa,Anthem of the Sun, The Greatful Dead,Workingman's Dead,Skull and Roses. most all of these CDs contain exrata cut and out takes. Also included is a huge color book w/ discography, history, and gear.This was a great trip to the library......lw

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 7, 2011 11:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

"Serendipity, Baby"

TOOTMO

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Apr 7, 2011 8:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

Great book - and a great guy. Want to make money? Publishing.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 7, 2011 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

I guess that's kind of the general impression I came away with: The money is in the idea generation and ownership side and not the performance side (which kind of makes sense because I think the majority of musicians just want to play, a la, Garcia).

Does this hold true for visual artists, i.e., do gallery owners/auction houses do better than the artists themselves?

TOOTMO

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Apr 7, 2011 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

hard to compare those two. A musician's product based profit depends on the number of units sold (including actual airplay, online purchasing, etc.), whereas an artist might only have to sell two or three items to have a really good year. I'm afraid I feel that concert tours are just really long commercials aimed at getting the public to buy records and associated merchandise so that the artist can pay back the record label and pay for the immense support network behind the productions. Now this isn't to say that musicians don't also do it for the love of the music, but I have a suspicion that if a musician knew that all his/her bills would be paid, contract obligations satisfied and have some cash left over, the impetus to go on a 2 year world tour might be diminished somewhat. I've heard in Jerry's case that he felt an immense obligation to provide a living for all the "family" that went along with a Dead tour. If he were to suddenly cut his schedule down 75% because he was just tired that year, many people would have a lot less money coming in.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2011-04-07 16:48:49

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Apr 7, 2011 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

This, I always heard as being the rule . The songwriter lets say Pete Townsend would get the lions share of the royalties whether the other members thought that it was fair or not.All those CSI intros and all other comrecials that feature the WHO is considered intellectual property and worth more. Also the guys who wrote Hound DOG and a thousand other earlier hitsLieber and Stoller got the credit not the performer whom ever it may be. To own ones' publishing rights and the masters are the artist major contractual leverage one could have...lw

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Apr 7, 2011 12:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

I believe Sir Paul would concur.

TOOTMO

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Apr 6, 2011 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

LW, I'll give some thought as to how to present you with a condensed answer.

The story of 'how and where the money goes' is the stuff that could easily fill a 300 level college course. Not trying to sound smart-ass here, but it just involves so many levels and too many variables. And the bottom line is that at each level, you are lucky to scrape a living wage for your work - the love of the music seems to be more of a driving force than the goal of financial wealth for many - only a small percentage of artists or the supporting services folks see the really big bucks. It's been my experience, that if you are good at the services you provide or the art you create, and if you are professional, honest and fair in your dealings with others, then persistence - and longevity - do seem to pay off ... in a moderate and reasonable sort of way.

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Apr 6, 2011 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

There are still a ton of mid-level bands who tour in their own Van and book their own gigs and get paid in cash. You can play college gigs up and down the east coast and hooking up with other bands play larger shows during the summer - selling cd's was the way to garner some cash, recorded by the soundboard guy a good live recording is cheap and the cd's can be easily bought. The problem is the ready supply of easy to spend cash - the stories of Jerry having wads of cash shoved under his seat are a testement to that. Read Miles Davis's autobio cause he talks at length about getting paid in cash and the problems trying to collect his wages for his bandmates...

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Apr 6, 2011 4:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: getting paid,how where ,when

After overhead and taxes and agents, lawyers, etc. a big band would see approximate 15-30% of the gross revenue...then split that up among band members however...the song writers/frontmen make out the best...